It Gets Late Early
by Maureen Wiley Clough
I Created a Fake Perfect Job Candidate. Here's What Happened.
About this podcast
Have you ever looked around at work and realized you might be one of the oldest people in the room—and you’re not even 40 yet?
It Gets Late Early is a show about what’s really happening to experienced workers as the rules of work change. We dig into layoffs dressed up as AI strategy, side hustles and portfolio careers, the quiet rise of workplace ageism, and the (sometimes harsh) reality of building a career in midlife and beyond.
We connect the dots between corporate decisions, economic forces, and the real lives of people navigating a changing world of work to help make sense of it all…because the career playbook we all followed was for a game no one can win anymore.
You’ll hear honest conversations, expert insights, and practical advice for people trying to figure out what comes next—all wrapped up in a healthy dose of dark humor. Because sometimes you have to laugh so you don’t cry.
Hosted by Maureen Wiley Clough—corporate dropout and ex-journalist who won’t quit telling the truth about work.
Episodes
The newest 20 of 74 episodes
- I Created a Fake Perfect Job Candidate. Here's What Happened. · 52 min · Episode 73What happens when you create the “perfect” job candidate and send her into today’s job market? Apparently, not much. Emily Durham, better known as Emily the Recruiter, decided to…
- We're Working Ourselves to Death (And Calling It Success) · 15 min · Episode 72A worker collapses on a warehouse floor. The conveyor belts keep moving. No one is allowed to help. The story sounds unbelievable until you realize it's not an isolated incident…
- $600M in Damages. One Worker. A System That Created Both. · 15 min · Episode 71On April 7th, at 12:30 a.m. in a massive warehouse in Ontario, California, a worker lights pallets on fire. The result? $500–$600 million in damages and a reflection of a much…
- The US Tracks Your Money Anywhere on Earth. It Just Won't Say How Many Americans Left · 12 min · Episode 70The American career stability crisis is real, and it’s not a coincidence. We’re seeing a massive shift in how employers view workers, and it’s creating a talent drain that could…
- The AI Cover-up: How Layoffs Hide the Rise of the Ghost Workforce · 12 min · Episode 69We’ve seen companies laying off employees under the guise of automation. But here’s the catch: They’re still hiring, just not you–not as an employee anyway. What do I mean by…
- The AI Con: How Tech Giants Are Using Layoffs to Reset the Job Market · 14 min · Episode 68You may have seen companies like Pinterest and Amazon cutting thousands of jobs in the name of "AI transformation." But here's the catch: these layoffs are a calculated reset…
- How to Build Something New After 40 (Even When It Feels "Too Late") · 53 min · Episode 67"It's too late for me." I had this worry, but I finally hit publish on my first podcast episode at 40. I thought I'd missed the boat. Everyone else had already started, and I…
- Tech Layoffs, Ageism & AI: Is a Tech Career Still Worth It? · 55 min · Episode 66Tech isn’t just in a downturn. It’s in the midst of a full-blown identity crisis. As layoffs, ageism, and AI reshape the workforce overnight, Brian Pulliam joins me to break down…
- I Paid $48K for Health Insurance and Still Owed $10K—So I Built a Solution · 1 h 14 min · Episode 65With mass layoffs hitting tech, media, and corporate America, more professionals over 40 are being forced into freelance work, consulting, and solopreneur life—whether they…
- AI Is Teaching Us to Hate Our Own Faces - Former Google Employee Turned Artist Exposes the Truth · 54 min · Episode 64Ever wondered why AI thinks you need to look younger? In this episode, Gretchen Andrew, a former Google employee turned artist, exposes the disturbing truth about how beauty…
- The Hoodie Myth Is Dead: Why the Best Tech Founders Are Over 40 · 14 min · Episode 63What if everything you thought you knew about startup success was wrong? In today’s episode of It Gets Late Early, I’m breaking down the myth that young, hoodie-wearing…
- The $259B Problem Hiding in Your Meetings — and How to Solve It · 42 min · Episode 62Meetings. Ugh. We’ve all been there, right? And the price tag is bigger than most people realize. We estimate that the cost to organizations of these unproductive meetings is…
- 20% Fake Jobs. 31% Never Hear Back. What Are Companies Doing? · 40 min · Episode 61Ever applied, interviewed, and…silence? You’re not alone. In this episode, we crack open the hiring black box: the rise of ghost jobs (roles that never close or never existed in…
- 70% of the Money. Zero Attention — or Employees. What Are Brands Thinking? · 49 min · Episode 60Marketers love chasing Gen Z. But here’s the trillions-of-dollars blind spot: Gen X and Boomers control nearly 70% of U.S. disposable income and outspend younger generations in…
- The 10% Rule: Why a Little More Vulnerability Can Change Everything With Will Greenblatt · 51 min · Episode 59Why is it terrifying to present to just four people? According to Will Greenblatt, it's because our brains still think the tribe might "club us over the head" if they don't like…
- Fired and Diagnosed With Cancer: How Daniel Incandela Rebuilt His Life · 40 min · Episode 58Losing a job is never easy, but what if it led to a more fulfilling path? Daniel Incandela, former CMO, opens up about the painful yet transformative experience of being fired in…
- What No One Tells You About Personal Branding at Work With Danielle Hughes · 39 min · Episode 57Let’s face it, whether you're looking for a new job, trying to stand out in your current role, or considering a career pivot, building a personality brand is a real game-changer…
- The AI Industry Is Lying to You — And This Founder’s Calling It Out at Age 66 · 1 h 7 min · Episode 56Is AI living up to the hype, or is it just another overblown bubble that’s gonna pop? In this episode, Stephen Klein, a 66-year-old AI founder who is challenging the status quo…
- Kelly Stonelake Tried to Protect Kids at Meta. They Fired Her Instead · 1 h 13 min · Episode 55Have you ever felt trapped in a system that’s supposed to empower you but instead chips away at your well-being? In today’s episode, I’m sitting down with Kelly Stonelake, a…
- How to Fix Your Dumpster Fire Interview Process With Lorna Erickson and Victoria Gates · 49 min · Episode 54Let’s get real: hiring today is a mess. I’ve been there both as a candidate and as the interviewer who wasn’t properly trained. So, when I discovered Lorna Erickson and Victoria…







