"The Cognitive Revolution"
von Erik Torenberg, Nathan Labenz
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A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years.
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- Agents That Think Together: Cisco's Vijoy Pandey on Semantic Alignment, Scope, Accord & Concord · 1 Std. 31 Min. · Staffel 1Vijoy Pandey, SVP and GM of Outshift by Cisco, discusses the challenges of multi-agent systems and Cisco's new open-source protocols designed to help AI agents collaborate…
- The Neuron Basis: Goodfire's Curt Tigges on Agentic Interp, Monosemanticity & Reverse Engineering · 1 Std. 56 Min. · Staffel 1Goodfire technical staff member Curt Tigges discusses research revealing that individual MLP neurons in modern language models are far more interpretable and functionally bounded…
- AI:AM: Is THIS the AI We Want? Alarming Acceleration, AI Election Bets, GPU Trading & AI-Native VC · 1 Std. 27 Min. · Staffel 1Nathan Labenz and Prakash Narayanan examine mounting evidence of rapid AI acceleration alongside guests Brian Zhou of Thoughtful, Mike San Miguel of Luxor Technology, and Bryan…
- KYC Becomes KYA: Sentinel Bio's Joshua Monrad on DNA Screening, Uplift Studies & Agent Monitoring · 1 Std. 45 Min. · Staffel 1Sentinel Bio co-founder and managing director Joshua Monrad joins Nathan Labenz to examine the evolving biosecurity risks posed by frontier artificial intelligence and autonomous…
- AI:AM: Carbon in the Arena, Mistral's Le Chonk, the Agent-Run Economy, Ferroelectric RAM + New Hacks · 1 Std. 27 Min. · Staffel 1Nathan Labenz and Prakash Narayanan examine whether prevailing AI assumptions survive real-world data across conversations with Anastasios Angelopoulos of Arena, Debo Olaosebikan…
- Freedom of Action: America's ASI Strategy, w/ RAND's Joel Predd, Ben Boudreaux & Matt Chessen · 1 Std. 50 Min. · Staffel 1Joel Predd, Ben Boudreaux, and Matt Chessen of RAND's Center for the Geopolitics of AGI join Nathan to discuss their framework for maintaining freedom of action on the path to…
- AI:AM Highlights: Clean Neurons, Black October, the GPU Credit Crunch, and Buying the Supply Chain · 1 Std. 29 Min. · Staffel 1Hosts Nathan Labenz and Prakash Narayanan examine whether capital, physical infrastructure, or regulation will set the pace of artificial intelligence. Zvi Mowshowitz evaluates…
- A World Model of Life: Biohub's Alex Rives on Virtual Cells, Measurement, & the $1.8B Data Push · 1 Std. 5 Min. · Staffel 1Alex Rives, Head of Science at Biohub and former lead of the ESM protein language model project, joins Nathan to discuss Biohub's mission to construct a predictive world model of…
- AI:AM: Where's the Steering Wheel? My Agent Set the Password, Hidden Valence, Proofs Find Linux Bugs · 1 Std. 27 Min. · Staffel 1Nathan Labenz and Prakash Narayanan examine how to grant AI agents operational access without losing human control, framed by real-world friction like autonomous password…
- Governing AI Agents: Alan Chan of GovAI on Monitoring, Agent IDs, Rogue Agents & Preparing for RSI · 2 Std. 19 Min. · Staffel 1GovAI Research Fellow Alan Chan joins Nathan to examine the governance and safety infrastructure required for autonomous AI agents, spanning real-time monitoring, agent…
- How Agents Decide: Goodfire's Eric Bigelow on Critical Tokens, Phase Shifts, & In-Context Learning · 2 Std. 2 Min. · Staffel 1Goodfire researcher Eric Bigelow joins the show to investigate how large language models arrive at decisions at the level of mechanistic interpretability. Drawing on his research…
- AI:AM: A Level We Shouldn't Pass? Notes from The Curve + Tokens vs. Salaries & Is SaaS Cooked? · 1 Std. 28 Min. · Staffel 1Nathan Labenz reports back from The Curve conference, sharing off-the-record insights from frontier lab leaders on shortened timelines and whether humanity is approaching an…
- Software That Never Breaks: OutSystems CEO Woodson Martin on Building Enterprise-Grade Apps at ... · 1 Std. 11 Min. · Staffel 1OutSystems CEO Woodson Martin joins Nathan to discuss how enterprise software can evolve at AI speed without breaking critical operations. Martin explains how an intermediate…
- One Brain, Any Body: Google DeepMind's Keerthana on Gemini Robotics 2, Cross-Embodiment & Humanoids · 1 Std. 32 Min. · Staffel 1Keerthana Gopalakrishnan, Research Lead for Gemini Robotics at Google DeepMind, returns to discuss the release of Gemini Robotics 2, whole-body intelligence, and the pursuit of…
- AI:AM: Was Trump-Xi Anything? What Counts as Utopia? + AWS GPUs Cost 3X & AI Diagnoses Rare Diseases · 1 Std. 29 Min. · Staffel 1Nathan Labenz and Prakash Narayanan examine rapid shifts in technology, diplomacy, and medicine with guests Jeremie and Edouard Harris, Steve Hou, Joel Borgen, and Daniel…
- Obsolete or Irreplaceable? Garrison Lovely on Stopping the Race to Replace Human Labor · 2 Std. 14 Min. · Staffel 1Author and journalist Garrison Lovely joins Nathan to discuss his book Obsolete and examine the motivations and beliefs of the leaders racing to build AGI. Drawing a sharp line…
- AI:AM: What If It Works Too Well? Colluding Agents, $200M Safety Orgs, Virtual Cells Saturate at 2% · 1 Std. 47 Min. · Staffel 1Nathan Labenz and Prakash Narayanan revisit interviews with five experts to analyze emerging challenges across agent coordination, safety funding, GPU markets, and physical-world…
- What is Utopia? Presenting The Receipt Horizon, by Joel Borgen – Chapters 1–4 · 2 Std. 51 Min. · Staffel 1This episode presents the first four chapters of The Receipt Horizon, a debut novel by Joel Borgen co-written with ChatGPT and Claude and narrated entirely by synthetic voices…
- Zero to One in AI Safety: Halcyon's Mike McCormick on Launching 30 New Orgs & the Founder Bottleneck · 1 Std. 50 Min. · Staffel 1Mike McCormick, founder and CEO of Halcyon, discusses why the primary bottleneck in AI safety, biosecurity, and cybersecurity is a shortage of experienced founders rather than a…
- AI:AM Highlights: Zvi on Pacing & Trump-Xi, Astra better behaved than Fable? + a new LLM Pain Axis?? · 1 Std. 41 Min. · Staffel 1Nathan Labenz and Prakash Narayanan review key highlights from the week featuring guests Zvi Mowshowitz, Andon Labs co-founders Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund, Cameron Berg…
- No Code Is Code: Zapier CEO Wade Foster on Headless Tools, Zapier MCP & Automation Bench · 1 Std. 8 Min. · Staffel 1Zapier CEO Wade Foster joins Nathan to explore the shift toward headless AI tools and how Zapier MCP brings workflows and context directly into users' daily drivers. Drawing on…
- The Balance of AI Power: Anton Leicht on Politics, Pacing Deals, and Muddling Through Well · 2 Std. 10 Min. · Staffel 1Anton Leicht, a fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and author of Threading the Needle, joins Nathan Labenz to explore how political and institutional power…
- AI:AM Highlights: Astra as AGI, OpenAI's Pause, Mythos @ Mozilla & Human Agency vs Technocapitalism · 1 Std. 42 Min. · Staffel 1Nathan Labenz and Prakash Narayanan examine the capabilities of GPT-6 Astra and the economic forces accelerating frontier artificial intelligence. Across a series of featured…
- Nathan Goes to China #3: US-China Relations, the Art of the AI Deal & the Road to Pax Robotica · 3 Std. 17 Min. · Staffel 1In this solo finale to his three-part series following two weeks in China, Nathan delivers a net assessment of Chinese AI capabilities and constraints ahead of dedicated US-China…
- AI:AM Highlights: Welcome to the AGI Era · 2 Std. 20 Min. · Staffel 1This highlights compilation from AI in the AM captures a landmark week shaped by the releases of Anthropic's Fable 5.1 and OpenAI's GPT-6 Astra alongside new revelations from the…
- Write, Change, Recall, Forget: MongoDB's Pete Johnson on How Retrieval Drives Agent Performance · 1 Std. 36 Min. · Staffel 1Nathan's guest this episode is Pete Johnson, Field CTO of AI at MongoDB, and the conversation is really two conversations woven together: a history of database architecture, and…
- AI:AM Highlights: Recursive Self-Improvement, Rushed and Vibe-Coded? · 2 Std. 11 Min. · Staffel 1In this AI:AM Highlights episode, Nathan Labenz and Prakash revisit three live mornings with Louis Kirsch and Damon Falck of Inherent Laboratories, Vercel CTO Malte Ubl, Genesis…
- RL's a Hell of a Drug: Metagaming, Reward Seeking & Motivated CoT Reasoning – Bronson Schoen, Apollo · 2 Std. 14 Min. · Staffel 1Nathan talks with Apollo Research Member of Technical Staff Bronson Schoen, who studies raw frontier-model chain-of-thought, about what those reasoning traces reveal during…
- AI in the AM — Weekly Highlights: Relaunch Week (Aug 17–20, 2026) · 2 Std. 33 Min. · Staffel 1Relaunch week of AI in the AM brings together highlights from four live mornings and nine guests, centered on who checks frontier AI, how wide the gap is between lab-internal…
- Let There Be Germicidal Light: This $500 Fixture Could Stop the Next Pandemic, from Complex Systems · 1 Std. 25 Min. · Staffel 1Patrick McKenzie (patio11) hosts Aerolamp CEO Misha Gurevich and Chief Scientist Vivian Belenky, a Columbia University researcher, for a Complex Systems conversation about…
- Lindy Teammate: Flo Crivello on Multiplayer Agents, Memory & Why He'd Ban the Chinese Models He Uses · 2 Std. 6 Min. · Staffel 1Flo Crivello returns to The Cognitive Revolution to launch Lindy Teammate, an AI employee that lives in Slack, connects to company tools, and accumulates a team’s shared context…
- Thinking in Silico: Goodfire CTO Dan Balsam on Concept Manifolds & a $1000/Month ML Research Agent · 1 Std. 57 Min. · Staffel 1Goodfire co-founder and CTO Dan Balsam returns to discuss where interpretability research now stands and to introduce Silico, the $1,000-per-month research platform Goodfire…
- Pick Your Poison: Zvi Mowshowitz on the Unipolar/Multipolar AGI Dilemma, OpenFace & Pacing the ... · 2 Std. 57 Min. · Staffel 1Zvi Mowshowitz returns for his eleventh appearance to discuss what current AI tools are actually good for, where they distort judgment, and why writing still matters as a way of…
- Nathan Goes to China – Part 2: AI Safety with Chinese Characteristics · 2 Std. 17 Min. · Staffel 1Nathan reports from two weeks in China, including WAIC in Shanghai and an AI safety hub launch at Tsinghua, to examine the American policy argument that any safety obligation is…
- Is Offense or Defense Dominant? FAR.AI's Adam Gleave on the AI Security Leaderboard · 1 Std. 44 Min. · Staffel 1FAR.AI co-founder and CEO Adam Gleave joins Nathan to discuss FAR.AI’s AI Security Leaderboard, the first systematic head-to-head evaluation of the misuse safeguards frontier…
- Nathan Goes to China – Part 1: Tech & Agent Setup, Chinese AI UX, WAIC, and Attitudes on AI · 2 Std. 24 Min. · Staffel 1Nathan returns from two weeks in Beijing and Shanghai for the first of three Chatham House–rules episodes on what China feels like at ground level: getting online, navigating an…
- Alignment with Awakening: Davidad on Moral Realism, AI Wisdom, & why His p(Doom) is Down to 5% · 2 Std. 23 Min. · Staffel 1David “davidad” Dalrymple joins the show to explain why he has moved from the ARIA Safeguarded AI and formal-verification agenda toward “Alignment with Awakening,” while still…
- AI:AM Highlights: Exploring the J-Space, AI Superforecasters, SambaNova's Chips, & LTX Video Gen · 2 Std. 7 Min. · Staffel 1Nathan Labenz and Prakash Narayanan lead this AI:AM highlights episode with a live, hosts-only exploration of Anthropic’s “global workspace” paper, including the J-space and…
- Intelligence on the Edge: Liquid AI's Ramin Hasani on the Search for Device-Native Foundation Models · 1 Std. 47 Min. · Staffel 1Liquid AI co-founder and CEO Ramin Hasani joins Nathan to make a technically grounded case against the idea that scale alone defines the future of AI. Drawing on Liquid’s path…
- 1000 Designs a Day: Neural Concept's Thomas von Tschammer on AI-Native Engineering · 1 Std. 29 Min. · Staffel 1Thomas von Tschammer, co-founder and Managing Director US of Neural Concept, argues that physics-aware AI is driving a third revolution in engineering physical products. Neural…
- AI:AM #4: Cameron on Model Consciousness, Duvenaud's Gradual Disempowerment, swyx's AI-Eng Alpha · 1 Std. 56 Min. · Staffel 1This AI:AM highlights cut brings together Cameron Berg, David Duvenaud, Michiel Bakker, Shawn “swyx” Wang, and Bing Xu to examine what we understand about frontier AI systems and…
- The God We Deserve: Nonzero's Robert Wright on AI as Humanity's Ultimate Test · 2 Std. 29 Min. · Staffel 1Robert Wright of Nonzero joins Nathan to discuss The God Test, his argument that AI is humanity’s “God test” rather than just a technical challenge. They explore his evolutionary…
- AI:AM #3: Zvi on Fable, the Cases For & Against the Ban, + AI for Math, Logistics & More · 2 Std. 14 Min. · Staffel 1Zvi Mowshowitz joins AI in the AM to unpack Anthropic's Fable system card, including its FrontierMath leap, troubling Vending-Bench behavior, decision-theory drift, and signs…
- Dean Ball, on Joining OpenAI: New Power Centers, Frontier AI Policy, & Main Character Energy · 2 Std. 39 Min. · Staffel 1Dean Ball, author of Hyperdimensional and until now a senior fellow at the Foundation for American Innovation, joins Nathan to announce he is joining OpenAI to build a team…
- Radically Better Reasoning: Elicit's Andreas Stuhlmüller & Jungwon Byun on World Models for Research · 1 Std. 46 Min. · Staffel 1Andreas Stuhlmüller and Jungwon Byun return to discuss how Elicit is building trusted reasoning workflows for scientific research as frontier models grow more powerful but less…
- AI in the AM — Week 2 Highlights (June 2026) · 1 Std. 44 Min. · Staffel 1Week 2 highlights follows Anthropic’s Fable launch in real workflows, from safety gates and API refusals to autonomous coding, 3D world-building, and a Claude-run Twitter…
- Babysitting the Machine: Glean's Rebecca Hinds on the Hidden Human Labor of AI at Work · 1 Std. 46 Min. · Staffel 1Rebecca Hinds, author of "Your Best Meeting Ever" and Head of the Work AI Institute at Glean, breaks down the surprising findings from the new Work AI Index 2026 report surveying…
- AI in the AM — Week 1 Highlights (June 2026) · 1 Std. 22 Min. · Staffel 1This first highlights edition of the morning experiment tracks a week of fast-moving AI frontier news, from closed-door recursive self-improvement debates to OpenAI’s call for…
- Nested Learning: Ali Behrouz on the Quest for Continual Learning & Illusion of AI Architectures · 3 Std. 0 Min. · Staffel 1Ali Behrouz, grad student at Cornell and Google researcher, discusses his potentially transformative work on new architectures for continual learning in AI. His paper "Nested…
- Inside Nathan's Second Brain: Daniel Miessler, Security Expert & Creator of PAI, Audits My AI Setup · 2 Std. 32 Min. · Staffel 1Daniel Miessler returns to discuss Nathan's newly built personal AI infrastructure, including a Claude Code instance with a 1 GB database of five years of digital history and two…
