About this podcast
It started with the 2014 disappearance of an Upper Michigan man named Chris Regan. The two-year investigation into his disappearance would take authorities on a strange journey into a world of sex, drugs, pig farming, alleged cannibalism, and serial murder; all stemming from a wedding day pact between Kelly and Jason Cochran, that resulted in the murder of at least two men. Investigative reporter, Josh Hallmark, dives through thousands of case files and dozens of hours of interviews with Kelly to make sense of the breadth of her crimes and her often contradictory stories, in hopes of identifying her additional victims she's refused to name... if there even are any.
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Episodes
The newest 20 of 35 episodes
- Retrospective 5: Kelly and The Pandemic · 56 min · Season 2 Episode 5In Retrospective 5, Josh discusses how a family loss created massive life changes during the creation of TCB season 2. And how the pandemic and Kelly Cochran led to some massive…
- Retrospective 4: Voices · 49 min · Season 3 Episode 4In Retrospective 4, Josh discusses how massive life changes coalesced with the creation of the first season of TCB. How he isolated himself entirely to both heal and get into the…
- Retrospective 3: Darkness · 50 min · Season 3 Episode 3In Retrospective 3, Josh discusses how 24 harrowing hours changed his life and the course of True Crime Bullsh**. He discusses how an incident re-shaped his vision for the first…
- Retrospective 2: Investigations · 59 min · Season 3 Episode 2Retrospective 2 takes us to the origin of the investigation; where Josh's interest in storytelling evolved into his obsession of needing to know everything. And it started in a…
- Retrospective 1: The Ignition · 1 h 25 min · Season 3 Episode 1To celebrate 10 years in podcasting, we're spending the summer going back in time and both highlighting key episodes and telling the stories behind them; you’ll get new…
- Unsafe Spaces | Oh, God · 28 min · Season 2 Episode 7Season finale. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark Featuring: Eric Carter-Landin from True Consequences and Crimelines & Consequences…
- Unsafe Spaces | Tacit Permissions & Behavioral Drifts · 1 h 17 min · Season 2 Episode 6To better understand Lorenzo and Schweickert, their possible other crimes, and their MOs and victimology, Josh chats with clinical psychologist Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential)…
- Unsafe Spaces | Open Secret · 1 h 0 min · Season 2 Episode 5At trial and at sentencing, Lorenzo's many surviving victims testified against him, including the impactful statements made by Albert Perkins, who Lorenzo kidnapped and assaulted…
- Unsafe Spaces | It Was Steven · 38 min · Season 2 Episode 4Scott Schweickert's house is searched, disturbing photos are found on Steven Lorenzo's computer, more Lorenzo assault victims come forward, someone confesses, and another gay man…
- Unsafe Spaces | It Was Scott · 40 min · Season 2 Episode 3Steven Lorenzo's friend and accomplice is identified as Scott Schweickert. And the pair's history is revealed through AOL instant messages and a mutual friend. Tampa PD…
- Unsafe Spaces | I'm Gay, I'm F*cked · 36 min · Season 2 Episode 2Steven Lorenzo comes to the forefront of Tampa PD's investigation into the disappearance of Jason Galehouse and the death of Michael Wachholtz. Lorenzo's criminal history leads…
- Unsafe Spaces | Let's Violate the World · 43 min · Season 2 Episode 1On December 22, 2003, two gay men were reported missing to Tampa PD. The investigations into their disappearances, would open a Pandora's Box that would force the police, the…
- Studio BOTH/AND News & Announcements · 4 minCatch up on all things Studio BOTH/AND for the month of February (and beyond). This month's news: • New tours and events • Unsafe Spaces update • The Karen & Ellen Letters…
- Check out my newest podcast: Unsafe Spaces · 11 minUnsafe Spaces is an investigative, serialized true crime podcast that explores the crimes that take place in the places we’re supposed to feel safest. In Season One: Tampa’s…
- Tour Announcement · 1 minJosh is heading out on the road. Catch him at: The True Crime & Paranormal Festival in Austin, Texas (8/26-8/27) www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com A casual Happy Hour in Tampa…
- 18. Both/And · 40 min · Season 1 Episode 18The finale. Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. Research assistance by Becca Cline. Music by William Hellfire, Chris Zabriskie, Lee Rosevere, Whithe…
- Studio BOTH/AND presents: True Crime Bullsh** · 1 minIf you enjoyed The Pact, check out host Josh Hallmark's other investigative deep dive into serial killer Israel Keyes: True Crime Bullsh** www.bothand.fyi…
- 17. A Boreal Feast · 28 minAn examination of the strange relationship and power dynamics between Kelly Cochran and Detective Ogden, reveals new patterns in Kelly's stories and behaviors. Plus, a cumulative…
- 16. Deep River · 38 min · Season 1 Episode 16A look at how sexual abuse may have contributed to Kelly Cochran's life and crimes; and how it may play a role in deciphering her many stories. This is a Studio BOTH/AND…
- 15. MEN · 33 min · Season 1 Episode 15An examination of the disparities surrounding the portrayals of men and women in crime, and how Kelly Cochran exploited them. This is a Studio BOTH/AND production…
