About this podcast
Toot or Boot brings you unfiltered conversations about work — straight from HR insiders who aren’t afraid to tell the truth. With a rotating crew of progressive HR leaders, we break down the latest news and trends to show what’s really happening and why it matters for your job. Whether you’re in HR or just trying to survive your 9-to-5, expect real talk, practical advice, and the occasional laugh to get you through the chaos of modern work.
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Episodes
The newest 20 of 52 episodes
- When Disengagement Is Really Self-Protection · 42 min · Season 4 Episode 1Disengagement at work is often framed as an attitude problem. But what if it’s actually a nervous system response? In this episode of Toot or Boot, Stacey Nordwall sits down…
- The ongoing trouble with SHRM · 50 min · Season 3 Episode 8For decades, SHRM has been the institution shaping HR standards, HR certifications, and workplace policy. But as political tensions rise, protections erode, and credibility…
- The chaos inside modern hiring systems · 1 h 9 min · Season 3Hiring has never felt more confusing — for candidates, recruiters, or the HR teams stuck in the middle. Between ATS myths, bad advice on TikTok, the Mobley v. Workday lawsuit…
- The High Cost of Being “Nice” at Work · 46 min · Season 3 Episode 6We’ve been taught that “nice” is the goal at work — be pleasant, be agreeable, don’t rock the boat. But what if niceness is actually keeping us stuck, silencing truth-tellers…
- What authenticity at work really means · 51 min · Season 3 Episode 5Work shouldn’t be the worst part of your week — but for too many people, it still is. In this episode of Toot or Boot, Stacey Nordwall talks with Madison Butler — author of Let…
- The employees are not OK · 54 min · Season 3 Episode 4Between layoffs, burnout, political chaos, AI anxiety, and the cost of living crisis, it’s no wonder employees aren’t okay. But if “not okay” has become the new normal, how do we…
- The CEOs are not OK · 50 min · Season 3 Episode 3Something strange is happening in the C-suite — and employees are the ones feeling it. In this fiery and funny episode of Toot or Boot, Stacey Nordwall is joined by Jessica…
- What in the H-1B is going on? · 53 min · Season 3 Episode 2When politics and policy collide with people’s livelihoods, HR leaders are often the ones left cleaning up the mess. In this episode, Stacey sits down with fractional HR leaders…
- When Black Women Get Pushed Out of Work · 54 min · Season 3 Episode 1Black women are being pushed out of the U.S. workforce at alarming rates—and it’s not by choice. In this powerful episode of Toot or Boot, host Stacey Nordwall sits down with…
- Moderna merges HR and IT, the price of office politics, and is sustainable scaling achievable? · 29 min · Season 2 Episode 22In this episode, we explore three critical workplace strategy topics: how effective leaders can minimize office politics through transparency, accountability, and encouraging…
- The cost of DEI rollbacks, the new employer-employee relationship , and the human cost of content moderation · 33 min · Season 2 Episode 21This episode dives into why some CEOs are paying the price for walking back DEI, how the employer-employee relationship has fundamentally shifted, and the horrifying conditions…
- A hard job market for new college grads, the cost of declining employee wellbeing, a bold child care policy · 28 min · Season 2 Episode 20In this episode, we explore Cake’s Body’s bold $36K childcare stipend, why the job market is suddenly so brutal for college grads, and what the WEF’s new report reveals about the…
- The workplace triple threat: Disengagement, RTOs, and Fake AI Applicants · 34 min · Season 2 Episode 19This week, we're diving into three concerning workplace trends: First, employee engagement is declining sharply, with managers under 35 and female managers leading this downward…
- Target's DEI rollbacks hit their bottom line, LGBTQ discrimination on the rise, and quiet cracking · 23 min · Season 2 Episode 17This week, we dive into the real-world impacts of DEI rollbacks, workplace discrimination, and employee disengagement. We examine how Target faced boycotts and significant…
- Workplace Accessibility: How policy changes like RTOs disproportionately impact employees with disabilities · 59 min · Season 2 Episode 16This week, we welcome Nathan Chung, Jessica Donahue, and Greer Procich for a critical conversation about workplace accessibility and inclusion. With collective experience in HR…
- Meta's "do not rehire" list, the decline of workplace friendships, and HR teams too stretched to action employee feedback · 27 min · Season 2 Episode 15In this episode, we analyze new Glassdoor research suggesting employees are increasingly deprioritizing workplace relationships, questioning whether this shift stems from broader…
- Tokyo's 4-day workweek, resignation by proxy, and a low status desk · 17 min · Season 2 Episode 14Kim Minnick joins this week as we dive into three fascinating workplace trends from around the globe. We examine Tokyo's move toward a four-day workweek aimed at addressing…
- April Fools - can we tell the real headlines from the fake? · 29 min · Season 2 Episode 13In this special April Fool’s Day episode, host Stacey Nordwall hands over the reins to co-producer Lexi Croswell for a fun twist on the usual format. Instead of tooting or…
- Live in Las Vegas at Transform · 13 min · Season 2 Episode 12Last week our team was at the Transform Conference in Las Vegas, connecting with HR practitioners and thought leaders. We decided to have some fun and do quick on the conference…
- Get on board or get out buyout tactics, sex discrimination and revenge quitting · 44 min · Season 2 Episode 11We discuss a recent sex discrimination case where a male employee in a female-dominated workplace filed a claim after being excluded from awards with the announcement "it's not…







