Won't Fix
by Rob Leathern
Latest episode
Won't Fix Episode 20: With Jeff Dunn, COO of the Digital Trust Council
Won't Fix Episode 20: With Jeff Dunn, COO of the Digital Trust Council
About this podcast
From the founders of InfoHawk: conversations about AI-driven deception, abuse and scams, and why they’re so hard to stop. In software engineering, “won’t fix” describes a bug by acknowledging the issue but intentionally leaving it unsolved because addressing it is too costly, risky, or not worth the trade-offs. Hear from the practitioners fighting phishing, deepfakes and bots, and learn about the broken systems and misaligned incentives that keep us all vulnerable.
Episodes
- Won't Fix Episode 20: With Jeff Dunn, COO of the Digital Trust Council · 49 min · Episode 20Jeff Dunn is the COO of the nonprofit Digital Trust Council, and is a long-time trust & safety leader, advocate and mentor. He has been Hinge's VP, Trust & Safety and Chief Risk…
- Won't Fix Episode 19: With Author Becky Holmes · 42 min · Episode 19Somewhere out there, Keanu Reeves is desperately in love with you. So is Jason Statham. And a brave peacekeeping soldier who just needs a few gift cards to get home. Of course…
- Won't Fix Episode 18: With Jon Leibowitz Former Chairman, FTC · 41 min · Episode 18My guest Jon Leibowitz spent nearly a decade at the Federal Trade Commission, and four years running it — as Chairman from 2009 to 2013, right through the wreckage of the…
- Won't Fix Episode 17: With Dave Willner, Co-Founder of Zentropi · 53 min · Episode 17My guest today is Dave Willner, cofounder of Zentropi and a fixture in the Trust and Safety world. In 2008, he was a young Facebook employee who sat down to replace a one-page…
- Won't Fix Episode 16: With John Canfield, Founder & CEO of BlueArc · 49 min · Episode 16The question "is this business real, and should I believe what it's telling me" isn't new. It's about as old as American commerce. What's changed is that you can now spin up a…
- Won't Fix Episode 15: With Alexios Mantzarlis, Co-Founder of Indicator · 49 min · Episode 15Alexios Mantzarlis has spent his career on the unglamorous side of the internet. He founded the Italian fact-checking site Pagella Politica, then led the International…
- Won't Fix Episode 14: With Ajit Varma, Head of Firefox at Mozilla · 46 min · Episode 14My guest, Ajit Varma, is Head of Firefox at Mozilla, where he leads Firefox strategy and product. He joined Mozilla in late 2024, from Meta, where he worked on monetization and…
- Won't Fix Episode 13: With Alan Chapell of The Monopoly Report · 47 min · Episode 13Rob Leathern speaks to privacy attorney and host of The Monopoly Report Podcast, Alan Chapell, about residential proxies, privacy and podcasting. Hear how free smart TV apps…
- Won't Fix Episode 12: With Jeff Allen Co-founder & CRO of the Integrity Institute · 48 min · Episode 12Jeff Allen is the Co-founder and Chief Research Officer of the Integrity Institute, started in 2021. A physicist and astronomer by training, moved into data science in 2013, and…
- Won't Fix Episode 11: With Independent Researcher & Consultant Ben Edelman · 48 min · Episode 11Ben Edelman has spent two decades catching online fraud that hides in plain sight — combining software engineering, law, and economics to prove misconduct empirically rather than…
- Won't Fix Episode 10: With Lindsay Kaye & Will Herbig of HUMAN Security · 48 min · Episode 10On July 7, 2026, HUMAN’s Satori team exposed NewsJunkie, a massive, coordinated connected television (CTV) device-spoofing operation that generated up to two billion invalid bid…
- Won't Fix Episode 9: With Juliet Shen, Cofounder & HOP at ROOST · 46 min · Episode 9Juliet Shen is cofounder and Head of Product at ROOST (Robust Open Online Safety Tools), a nonprofit building open-source trust-and-safety infrastructure for platforms of every…
- Won't Fix Episode 8: With Dave Kleidermacher of Google · 54 min · Episode 8Dave Kleidermacher is a vice president of engineering at Google, leading engineering for Android security and privacy. His scope encompasses Android and the Made-by-Google world…
- Won’t Fix Episode 7: With Jeremy Philip Galen of Charlemagne Labs · 40 min · Episode 7My guest today is Jeremy Galen, founder of Charlemagne Labs. Jeremy spent twelve years at Meta working in privacy, safety, and security — most recently five years as a product…
- Won't Fix Episode 6: With Tate Jarrow, Founder & CEO of Rebound · 48 min · Episode 6Tate Jarrow is the Founder and CEO of Rebound (https://trustrebound.com), a consumer anti-scam company. Before founding Rebound, Tate was an Army infantry officer and Airborne…
- Won't Fix Episode 5: With Platformocracy's Jonathan Bellack · 54 min · Episode 5Jonathan spent thirty years inside the machine — product leadership at DoubleClick, executive roles at Google, and a founding role at Harvard's Applied Social Media Lab. A year…
- Won't Fix Episode 4: With Indicator's Craig Silverman · 50 min · Episode 4Craig Silverman is an award-winning journalist who has spent more than 15 years researching and reporting on the manipulation of our information environment. He is currently the…
- Won't Fix Episode 3: With KTLYST Labs' Assaf Kipnis · 43 min · Episode 3Assaf Kipnis spent years hunting financially motivated bad actors on Meta's e-crime team and in Google's Ads Trust & Safety org. He now runs KTLYST Labs, where he's building the…
- Won't Fix Episode 2: With Project Brazen's Tom Wright · 42 min · Episode 2Investigative journalist Tom Wright (Project Brazen) joins Rob Leathern to discuss the staggering rise of Benjamin Mauerberger, a South African money launderer who utilized…
- Won't Fix Episode 1: With tofu's Jason Zoltak · 42 min · Episode 1In this first episode of Won't Fix, Rob Leathern talks to Jason Zoltak. Jason is the founder and CEO of tofu, which is using AI and machine learning to fight fraud and deception…
