WHAT IF WE GET IT RIGHT?
by Ayana Elizabeth Johnson
Deep sea mining, floating data centers, and a new species of octopus…
About this podcast
A show about climate solutions, about what we need to do to address the climate crisis, and how to make those things happen — from changing laws, to electrifying buildings, to improving fashion and media. Each week an expert guest joins host Dr. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson to break it down, delightfully, and help us all envision what getting right on climate looks like, so we can reel that vision into reality.
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Episodes
The newest 20 of 62 episodes
- Deep sea mining, floating data centers, and a new species of octopus 🐙👷🏻 with Dr. Diva Amon and Ben Wolkon · 1 h 5 min · Season 5 Episode 13Today’s episode is a reprieve from the midterm election. We’ll take your mind off the fate of our democracy for an hour to instead explore the wonders of the deep sea and…
- Climate supremacy and the spiritual battle over AI 🤖 with Naomi Klein · 57 min · Season 5 Episode 12First, a question: Are you helping ensure that pro-Earth candidates win these midterm elections? If not, scroll down to the “Calls to Action” section for some ideas and links…
- Clean energy transition in the Land of Enchantment 🏜️ with Deb Haaland · 42 min · Season 5 Episode 11Before diving into today’s episode, a tiny celebration 🎉: The What If We Get It Right? podcast reached 500,000+ downloads! THANK YOU for listening. More great interviews coming…
- Pensions, solidarity, and making polluters pay 💸⚖️ with Brad Lander · 50 min · Season 5 Episode 10Interviewing politicians can be dull. Just heaps of trite talking points and evasive answers. But when you get the chance to sit down with someone who has not only a strong moral…
- Rewind: What climate leadership looks like in Maine 🌲, with Hannah Pingree · 1 h 5 min · Season 5 Episode 9Governors are especially critical given the catastrophic presidential scenario. So today we’re re-sharing a conversation recorded in spring with Maine’s democratic gubernatorial…
- A critical local election in the sunniest state 🌅 with Clara Pratte · 58 min · Season 5 Episode 8This week and next we’ve got two episodes for you, all four are conversations with climate candidates — running for local office, for governor, and for congress. In other words…
- Climate villains, TikTokers, grandkids, and the messages that break through 📢 with Jamie Henn · 58 min · Season 5 Episode 7As we know, facts are not enough to win on climate — we need the right messages and the right messengers. So for this episode, we’re taking a step back to talk about climate…
- The Fight for Public Lands 🏕️, with Patagonia + Protect Our Winters · 52 min · Season 5 Episode 6This episode is a double feature, recorded live during NYC Climate Week in a Patagonia store. It’s about fighting to protect our public lands, leveraging outdoor athletes as…
- Mamdani’s team is making moves 🌇, with NYC’s Chief Climate Officer Louise Yeung · 55 min · Season 5 Episode 5In honor of NYC Climate Week, we’re diving into the climate initiatives happening right here in this city. There is so much going on. Our guest is Louise Yeung, New York City’s…
- Rewind: Connecting the dots on climate and democracy 🔄 with Stacey Abrams · 33 min · Season 5 Episode 4First, happy 2nd birthday to What If We Get It Right?: Visions of Climate Futures (the book version). Thank you for welcoming it into the world so warmly (NYT bestseller! 10,000+…
- Clean energy super PAC says “don’t mess with solar” ☀️💰, with Tom Matzzie · 54 min · Season 5 Episode 3The clean energy industry is getting aggressive, Super PAC style. And, honestly, it’s pretty exciting. Our guest this episode is Tom Matzzie, founder and CEO of Clean Choice…
- How the climate movement can build political power 🌎💪🏽 with Nathaniel Stinnett · 42 min · Season 5 Episode 2The environmental movement has a voter turnout problem: 11.2 million environmental voters did not vote in the 2024 election. Over 11 MILLION! That’s over half of the people who…
- Climate hushing, EVs 🔌 and creating “The Carbon Wave,” with Leah Stokes · 51 min · Season 5 Episode 1Welcome to Season 5 of What If We Get It Right? 💫 While it may seem counterintuitive given the electoral subject matter, Bill McKibben and I are having a blast gabbing with all…
- Trailer: Ayana and Bill McKibben are teaming up as podcast co-hosts! ✨ · 2 min · Season 5Season 5 of the What If We Get It Right? podcast is dedicated to environmental issues in the midterm elections — what’s at stake and how the planet can win. We are going to get…
- On reciprocity, photosynthesis, and berries 🍓 with Robin Wall Kimmerer · 52 min · Season 4 Episode 6Earlier this month at College of the Atlantic, I was over the moon to speak alongside the one and only Robin Wall Kimmerer, botanist, teacher, Earth lover and legendary author of…
- What climate leadership looks like in Maine 🌲, with Hannah Pingree · 1 h 4 min · Season 4 Episode 5This conversation had an odd effect on me. I found it... relaxing? To hear a politician speaking competently, calmly, clearly, practically and with nuance about climate policy…
- Climate Wayfinding 🧭 with Dr. Katharine Wilkinson · 60 min · Season 4 Episode 4Today’s conversation is a special one. I’m joined by someone who’s been a collaborator and a dear friend in this work: Katharine K. Wilkinson. And tomorrow, May 5th, is…
- An Ocean Love Story 🐠 · 29 min · Season 4 Episode 3In the spirit of the What If We Get It Right? paperback launch, sharing an excerpt of the audiobook. The heart of this audiobook is 20 interviews with people who have shaped my…
- Rewind: That time we made a Climate Variety Show. 🤪 · 34 min · Season 4 Episode 2Back in September 2024, on the day my book What If We Get It Right? was published, I did one of the most absurd and delightful things I’ve ever done. I co-hosted an over-the-top…
- For the love of nature, culture, and the future 💖 with Dr. Heidi Roop · 35 min · Season 4 Episode 1Hello Earthlings, we are back with a new episode of the What If We Get It Right? podcast. This is the first episode of Season 4, which will be a short season — maybe 6 episodes?…







